Posts by Anony Mous

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

Anony Mous

As far as the other question, nearly all the numbers and names in the Bible are allegorical or spiritistic/mystic in nature.

From Genesis to Revelation is based on various number systems that were mostly lost to time. Many Bible researchers, but going back even further, the practice of Kaballah attempts to rediscover the relationships between the letters/words and the numbers (eg. 666 = NRON QSR or Caesar Nero in Greek)

Various Babylonians also used similar number systems that were well documented (they used a 12-based number system, so a lot of stories will surround the number 12).

The ages of the patriarchs from Adam to Moses add up to 12,600 the sum of its digits is 9 and has 72 positive divisors. Hey, look all those numbers mean something - Jesus appeared 9 times after resurrection from when he was dead for 72 hours and quite a few other 'coincidences' around those numbers throughout the Bible. 1260, a time, two times, and half a time [3½ years] using the ancient calendar system, also how long Jesus preached etc etc.

When it comes to names, the interesting thing is that names have meanings that if you put them together spell out poetry. Eg. the 12 tribes of Israel in order of birth, likely a mnemonic that was used for the transfer of the stories in oral or song form.

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

Anony Mous

@raymond franz: nearly ALL the Bible writers are actually much closer to us than they are to the events that they reported happened, especially when it comes to the Old Testament.

The oldest books we know off were written ~500BC, with likely ancestor books and oral stories going back thousands of years which in itself were already talking about events before their time. So a book that's 2500 years old, is talking about events that supposedly happened 5000-10000 years before it.

The Prophets are the first real 'historical' writings, which although still largely allegorical started being written ~300 years after the Babylonian siege of Jersualem. Only the New Testament was written ~70-200 years after the purported events happened (post Jerusalem's destruction), a lot closer but still 1-2 generations of "telephone".

Beyond that, we then have over 1500 years worth of copies and translations with various details added or removed and a lot of stories are actually taken from other cultures, eg. the figure of Jesus in Summarian mythology predates "Jesus H. Christ" about 6500 years.

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How to Legally Dissolve a Religious Organization

by EasyPrompt in

regarding the state dissolving a church organization.... .

as posted in another thread, here is what is happening in japan, filing a court order to dissolve the unification church.... .

https://www.eurasiareview.com/06092023-japan-seeks-court-order-to-dissolve-unification-church/.

Anony Mous

This would fall under: administrative costs.

The activities at our world headquarters, branch offices, and translation offices, as well as the activities of those serving as traveling ministers, are supported by funds donated to our worldwide work.

Nothing about it is fraudulent or criminal, they don’t have to report every receipt and the CSA lawsuits are small potatoes in comparison with the massive real estate enterprise they have. Based on business bank reporting, the US branch of WTBTS alone has revenues exceeding $1B annually.

Their side business however (circuit-vehicles, regionalbuildingcommittee and used-tools-equipment websites) are legally dubious. Basically they take your donations, instead of renting/leasing equipment, they purchase it (making it an expense on the balance) and then they resell it again through a for-profit corporation while keeping/putting congregations in a sham debt on the purchase.

It could be said that these kinds of businesses are well outside the scope of a not-for-profit combined with some money laundering, but you’d need to do some serious investigations in documents that the government would have to subpoena.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Anony Mous

This article accurately ‘predicts’ the composition of galaxies at redshift 20 which is exactly what JWST is seeing:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11177

written in 2012 - your information is wrong.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40668-014-0006-2 - 2015 - it is likely that Population III stars were much more massive than present-day stars

A general description of structure formation in the early Universe may be found in Barkana and Loeb (2001), Loeb (2008), and Wiklind et al. (2013). The high-redshift IGM is discussed in Barkana and Loeb (2007) and Meiksin (2009), and the effects of the relative velocity offset between DM and baryons may be found in Fialkov (2014). The formation of the first stars in minihalos is reviewed in Bromm and Larson (2004), Glover (2005, 2013), and Bromm (2013), while the properties of the first galaxies are described in Bromm and Yoshida (2011), Johnson (2013), and Loeb and Furlanetto (2013). Less focused reviews of star formation at high redshifts may be found in Bromm et al. (2009) and Loeb (2010). Finally, feedback by Population III is summarized in Ciardi and Ferrara (2005).

although simplistic calculations go back to 1967 (the quantum physics is extremely difficult), all the objections you regurgitate have been debunked starting in the 1970s. JWST is simply confirming these hypotheses. See, accurate predictions, confirmed with accurate data. Science reporting in the media is junk these days, stop reading the briefs on CNN and thinking you have an understanding.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Anony Mous

A) you didn’t predict anything, you made a bad assumption based on a poorly written news article. Predicting something would mean you said something before the article was published.

B) if you kept up with the actual science, you would’ve seen that JWST did not dispute anything, as a matter of fact, it confirms simulations of the Big Bang, what was unexpected is that we could actually see them with JWST. Now that at least 3 objects have been confirmed to be dark stars, the early reporting (which every serious science article said was preliminary data and needed to be reviewed) was just bad reporting.

C) Genesis claims an 8000 year old universe where light, the earth and vegetation was created before the sun and stars, it also claims the moon emits light.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Anony Mous

@Sea Breeze: why do people always want to promote their own YouTube vids or those of their particular denomination of crazies?

I am not interested in seeing an hour long video on why the Bible cannot be challenged, the WTBTS has plenty of content. Can someone on your side write a scientific paper or summary based on the data which they don’t immediately have to retract (like the one you pointed at previously) from their own websites (not even getting to pre-print).

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

Anony Mous

So , if a member of someone's family does something that warrants shunning and their family doesn't

These days there are a lot of people that don’t strictly follow the shunning rules. First of all, people would need to report to the elders, the elders often have their own sons or daughters they should be shunning but don’t. So it really depends on congregation. At best nothing happens, at worst you lose ‘your privileges’ and get marked which many don’t want privileges anyway.
You have to really openly disagree with the DF arrangement (basically become an apostate about it) in order to be DF’ed. I was in a very strict congregation, there was a person that kept visiting with his DF’ed daughter, even talking to her in the hall. He simply kept saying he was weak, eventually made it to ministerial servant (because they’re running out of people) and then faded from the borg shortly after I did.
I have never heard of someone being DFed for simply ‘being weak’ about not talking to family. It may happen, but there are a lot of outs for people (there are various exceptions)

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

Anony Mous

This is the problem with using government as a cudgel to do what you think is right. I believe people are hurt by the policy, but freedom is the only way to fight the policy, by enacting “government persecution” you are only confirming their biases.

The biggest motivator for many of us to leave was to see how few people “outside” really cared about either us being a JW or the belief system they had. Step out into the world and everything except the few hours at the meeting is EXACTLY the same (in a free society), whatever you did as a JW (a group constituting 0.01% of the population) is inconsequential on the big stage, which is antithetical to what the WTBTS teaches, since if you are immersed it makes up 99% of your life so everything can be made into a threat.

Even if you somehow made it apply (which you can’t without severely restricting the principles behind freedom of speech), nothing in the world would change for even 80-90% of JWs, the JWs themselves that both have disfellowshipped family AND strictly follow the precepts are a small minority.

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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

by EasyPrompt in

still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

do they have to be jws?

Anony Mous

5 pages and no answers to the original questions, except illusions of secret revelation which people seem to have copied straight from WTBTS publications.

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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?

by Sea Breeze in

no mystery here.

they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.

so, why all the muck and fuss?

Anony Mous

I haven’t looked into details on the original translation, but is it actually 2 different names in the original text or is that a later ‘translator’ addition?

Also the listing is odd, there is a hidden meaning in the Jewish order of the names of the tribes, which Revelation breaks the ‘rhyme’.